HUGE Realms Changes Revealed w/CornerHardMC (Podcast 14)

Hello I’m ABIA X toy cat and welcome back to deep in the mind today I’m incredibly excited about my guest because he’s someone who actually helps to develop Minecraft so there’s some really interesting conversations about Realms and parody and about everything to do with that that we can actually

Have a real talk on and so that is what the next hour or so will be let’s jump into it so David you are one of the two Dev leads for Minecraft realms yes I’m definitely for the Realms client yeah that play on your consoles and your

Phones which is kind of the big thing and also you have done other things at Mojang right yes I’ve been at Mojang since 2018 and I worked on you know authentic authentication identity like signing in with your account you know all that sort of thing I’ve worked on Realms I’ve also

Dabbled in other stuff as side projects I’ve I fixed a couple parody bugs for a while the the hot ball one right the seagrass color yeah the hot bar oh yes and therefore you’ve immediately won the respect of everyone here like okay that’s that one the moment someone

Points it out to you you can never unsee it and sir thank you you are our Collective Heroes was it yeah someone pointed out to me and I’m like ah every time I play the game so it wasn’t that one wasn’t even that hard to fix it

Was just like one of those bugs where it’s like okay something else is crashing and the hot bar is off by one pixel which one did let’s fix the crack it wasn’t my ownership area I was busy with other things so I was like oh I can

Swoop in and fix this low priority but high visibility bug that I think is uh impressive about what you’re doing with Realms is that every single big priority bug you would assume is like oh the server is accidentally billing someone This Server is accidentally uh crashing and you’re

Managing to stay on top of all of those make a reliable service but also uh you say that the service is now a lot more hack free than it has been before and that is something that I thought was really exciting uh yeah there’s a lot of different

Things that you want to um you want to balance it’s just like um in vanilla game development they’re trying to balance like well creative players really like this and you know people who are roving adventurers or like that or people are really into Redstone like something else ROMs is the same sort of

Thing there’s different types of people that have Realms sometimes it’s people like me or you who are very invested in Minecraft and maybe we have these servers with lots of people playing on them and sometimes you have maybe a parent with kids and the kids like play Minecraft and the parent doesn’t really

Care about Minecraft they just want to you know pay for a server for the kids to play on so you got to take all of it into account and then you also have to balance like service reliability issues with things like hey it’s been a while since we’ve had an exciting new feature

Let’s add a new feature that’s going to draw attention and get people excited that that to me is the fun thing about Realms as you’re operating with all of the Minecraft default constraints but you’re also trying to build on top of it and I I think your job sounds like it

Has a lot of different uh fun elements to it because Realms isn’t just one service right it’s really two very different you know services for two different games and they have very different expectations of what you get with a realm uh like I I always remember

That the Java version just has a bunch of maps that are rotating in and out whereas with bedrock it’s Realms plus so there’s a bunch of marketplace maps that you get and even texture packs and skins and all that stuff um so I I was wondering like uh yeah

When you consider adding a feature do you have to consider working it for both versions or do you just uh you know like if it’s a cool Bedrock feature it comes there if it’s called Java feature it comes there uh how does that work with regards to Realms in particular

Oh that that’s tricky it’s a good question so some things are easy to share between versions obviously it from a broad perspective for Minecraft as a whole we have this one Minecraft philosophy so we want you to be playing one game whether you’re playing Java Edition or Bedrock Edition obviously if

You have played the game a lot and you know a lot of details about wait how does redstone work like you know oh quasi connectivity oh wait but that’s weird there’s other there’s you know a ways to go on the complete parody Journey but generally speaking like if

You fire up Java edition if you fire up Bedrock Edition you’re like oh let me go to an ancient city let me um run away from a ward like those are the same experiences you’re having the Realms um some we would like you to have the same Realms experience but it’s tricky

Because the clients are really different um and for instance there’s some new stuff we’re working on for realms where it has lots of new user interface there’s lots of new like buttons and cute graphics and um you know things you interact with and the whole UI system which

Um it’s actually open source or UI you can go look it up Mojang Studios GitHub repo but it’s a um basically runs web pages in a really high performance way so you can have a web page as your game interface oh and so it’s this whole big

System that’s very involved and then on Java Edition it’s just very different they have a very old Legacy UI system so like you build something in Bedrock it’s like oh I can’t directly Port this over whereas um you know other areas of the game

We’ve made a lot of effort to make it so you build it once and you can mostly move it between the versions as far as Realms the service side so where you’re spinning up these virtual machines that are running a dedicated server well there’s a lot of similarities between

How the Java side works and the Bedrock side works and a lot of that stuff you’re building something new like okay let’s build it for both Java and bedrock at the same time but there are distinctions and some stuff like the way you initialize a realm is a little different between Java

And Bedrock if you do a purchase like in Bedrock you’re buying it in the game and then you get sent to your platform store like the you know the Apple Store the Google Play Store and you’re spending money there in Java you’re going to minecraft.net and you’re buying it on

Our web page and then you get forwarded to the game the most interesting part of that because I I do agree the whole store UI like there’s so many parts of that you accidentally realize when it goes wrong like oh this was meant to hook into uh Xbox Live or this was meant

Took internet no to switch online so those are always interesting spots when you see those but the most interesting kind of parity difference that is interesting to me because uh it’s that classic example up it’s been done by modders so why can’t Mojang do it I bet

There is a good reason why can’t Java and Bedrock connect on the same realm uh if you if I have a job around I have a better problem is there a really good personal reason that jumps out to you or is it just it’s a huge slog to do

Correctly and one day could be done or is it like yeah there’s no realistic you know near path for that it I think yeah like you said there’s a whole whole topic that comes up to the community a lot like well modders can do this it takes two years why this is because

You’re a lazy you’re all taking too many breaks yeah I see you back there why why are you not in the factory right now I you have a curtain you’ve got too many luxuries in your life I bet you even slept last night when you should have

Been in the in the in the update Factory pounding out the update making that new mob that’s how it looks I’ve trust me I’ve seen it I’ve seen it you yeah you have the you’re not you’re not down on the factory for enough hours you’re not grinding on those features but more

Seriously yeah what that is a classic thing if it’s been done by models I’m sure in a hacky fashion but it works to the user end pretty convincingly like you you don’t know until you use an exclusive feature that it’s only a Java Ram where it’s only a Bedrock service

Rather uh is there a good reason that jumps out to you that it shouldn’t or can’t be done too easily on the realm side so it’s interesting so so first to lead into the answer um so for gameplay canopy dogs have excellent answer because he’s been a very prominent modder in Minecraft years

And working on the Aether and then he’s been a very prominent Mojang developer as well you know you know very key part in the ancient cities and some other stuff in the game so he has answered this at length on Twitter talking about like there’s different he’s a great answer I agree

Yeah like yeah there’s different standards for um something that’s a quick mod like oh what if I had a grappling hook to the game that sounds fun I mean I I personally think the grappling might be fun right so like you could add it in and there’s mods that add stuff like

That but then you’re like well Mojang you know the bundle is taking forever why isn’t the bundle in the game it uh it’s because if you’re designing a game that’s a base for what you want to build off of for years and years to come and

You want to be able to add something new every single year you have to be very deliberate about like I want to add something that’s going to be a super solid foundation for years to come not something that’s going to be hey this is cool right now let’s add this and then

Like next year you’re like oh actually I don’t like that because you notice when you have your Minecraft world once stuff is there like it it’s it’s there even if you have like I think Nether Reactor blocks if you happen to have one in the world I don’t think they disappear

Actually that one might be a bad example but there were some there are some blocks yeah there’s some really picky stuff forever maybe you have an official cozy Helmet or uh but yeah like yeah also there’s all sorts of update blocks yeah yeah yeah so there’s this expectation

That like I have a world that I play on regularly that’s over 10 years old like you also have a world you’ve been playing on for years and years and years and you get some weird idiosyncrasies when you’re upgrading but generally speaking your world is still there

Um so to answer your question about multiplayer obviously there’s like geyser MC in the community so you can play as a Bedrock player on a Java server and like we mentioned the games are mostly the same so it mostly works if you start digging into some of the

Edge cases and stuff though there’s problems and the fundamental problem is the games are not the same and even though we’re largely updating them with the same Cadence there’s a some differences in discrepancies so you could run into problems about like okay so I just play some Redstone

Down is this Redstone going to work like Java yeah you fundamentally have to say it’s either a Java world that Bedrock players can join or it’s a Bedrock World Java players can join I believe most of the servers go the Java main route first and then it results in all sorts of

Things that you expect to be able to do that don’t work on Bedrock or like the offhand you know yeah you run into all those issues but I still uh I wonder if that is the big reason just like if you can’t do it a hundred percent it’s not

Worth doing 96 or if it is like uh something more fundamental it’s once it’s an official Mojang thing if I go hey hey cross play realm so Java players Bedrock players play together in your Realms like there’s a lot of expectation there’s an official feature yeah it should be always available 24 7.

Yep it shouldn’t have any obvious bugs and it should be a solid foundation for us to build off of for years to come and if we just did our own version of geyser like it wouldn’t be there yeah it would take a lot of work do you think

Sometimes that limits you as uh you know like obviously you are one person working for a well can be considered a very big company maybe one of the biggest in the world um and so do you sometimes feel like man there’s this cool thing we could do but because even

Though Minecraft is arguably still an indie game I mean maybe when it got bought it stopped being that but it is still a smallish Studio you could do some cool things that you can’t do as much because you’re a team of you know like you’re not a team of free you’re a

Team of you know 30 or a team of a hundred do you think sometimes there are like limits to that and if so do you think there are benefits that counteract that um there’s trade-offs so talking about the size of the studio and then or are

You part of you know Microsoft are you in complete independent Studio actually wait that’s a really good question first do you say you work for Mojang or do you say you work for Microsoft oh [Laughter] I mean that’s the correct answer right that’s the only valid one but uh there

Is some controversy about whether you refer to people who work you know like is it a Mojang developer or a Microsoft developer like again technically both but there’s a lot of charge behind the words yeah there’s there’s definitely around when I want to face because obviously there’s

Been some cultural shifts over time with Minecraft from where it very first started whereas an indie game being developed by one person to a small group of people um to you know the you know Founders getting tired of running the game and it’s like hey anyone want to buy this

From me and Microsoft’s like hello and then you know Microsoft now it’s part of you know Xbox game studio so you can imagine as the team grows and orders a magnitude and size and then in context of where the business is there’s some cultural shifts that happen

But where we’re at right now you know Mojang Studios is everyone both in you know we have the two big offices in Stockholm and Redmond but there’s also a lot of people scattered all over the place all around the world literally and everyone is Mojang Studios yes so we

Are all part of the same family but then you know I’m also a Microsoft employee you know Microsoft employee badge you can work into Microsoft building get a Microsoft email account so I’m very much at Microsoft developer as well so that’s how you think the they’re awesome people

Who are still Mojang and still technically Microsoft but way less integrated in uh especially you maybe might say in like you know if you’re around the world remote but maybe even like in the Sweden office because it’s not as built into a Microsoft building or do you think that even that

Distinction is do you think that’s a slightly fairer way to paint it that everyone’s Microsoft but some people feel more Mojang than feel Microsoft it’s you know like how you might be from uh say Washington State but also an American they’re both correct but some people feel one more than the other uh

I’m from England but also the UK but also Europe is a continent um do you do you think it’s a bit like that or do you think it’s like well then everyone has their own answer and you know how would you answer that it I think you could ask different it

I’ve heard other people in Stockholm say this publicly including people you’ve had before in your videos I view us all as one family yeah I feel the same way like we’re all one big family we all want Minecraft to be the best game it can be

Um if you’ve I don’t have you visited Stockholm before no surprisingly oh I mean not for the not the Microsoft yes um welcome’s a beautiful city it is yeah I know you’re an avid traveler I have yeah I spent a week there uh way back uh

It was the weight you know I remember it was the week Pokemon go came out and my internet didn’t work in Sweden and I was just like desperately like come on I just want to play this game um but yeah I’ve been sweet it’s beautiful I agree absolutely yeah

Seattle Stockholm they’re both very beautiful cities in their own way but that there is you know each has a unique culture you know the very the American Metropolis the very European small people pooping on the street in one and there’s a few more people but you know

Like you know but in exchange you get you know much better fast food for you know so it’s ups and downs so I mean in a business context there’s slightly different cultures you know I’m the loud American you know let’s do some features you know and then you know in

Stockholm it’s a slightly different vibe but we’re all um you know our hearts are all on you know let’s make Minecraft as awesome as it can be so we’re all part of the same family do you feel like sometimes you come across as a loud American I I feel like

You’ve got the most respectful uh American Voice you know like I feel like it is a cultural thing to adjust to like oh yeah there’s a loudness thing but you’re very very balanced in what you say you can emphasize stuff without being like no I will steamroll you

You’re wrong about this uh so if I can give you a compliment in the middle of this okay so now that I’ve complimented you tell me one secret about Minecraft uh that you can’t publicly tell anyone it’s just between us friends I swear I’m not recording uh just uh there’s one one

Big secret there’s a secret that I I revealed in a we had a recent Discord q a oh on the official Minecraft Discord Channel and I revealed exclusive new information and it didn’t seem to get noticed oh I feel it again here um within the next year we’re planning

On giving you a way to try out on your own bigger render distance for Realms and see if that’s something you want for your particular realm oh that is huge actually so you’re saying try out in the sense there is a downside that comes of it or is it because obviously

It’s server-side processing or it’s partially as is that like same resources but you can put more it’s like you know if you have a console you could run it 100 chunks but you get a lower uh frame rate if in in some cases right you’re

Not you don’t is it the same thing where you’ve got the same power but more frame rate or more render distance options yeah this is probably going to be the same sort of server SKU as the same amount of random CPU for the server but you can try adjusting basically we’ve

Been making a lot of changes um on bedrock and to make things more efficient like there’s a lot of things about you know Minecraft has an almost I mean it’s not really infinite but you know virtually infinite World you know very very large and there’s all these 16 by 16 chunks

And the chunk is deterministically generated by the seed meaning if I tell you the seed I tell you the version of the game we’re playing and I ask you about oh chunk um you know 100 you know 64 100 what does it look like like you could tell me it’s deterministic

Um so if I’m like flying on my elytra blazing fast through the landscape and chunks are like flying at me and getting generated like a lot of those chunks if I never touched them like we already know what they look like without communicating between the client and the

Server because we both know the seed we know the version of the game we’re playing so I don’t necessarily have to save all those chunks as they’re flying by and maybe the server doesn’t even have to give them to me maybe on the client I just know like oh well that

Trunk’s going to be a lake it’s going to have a cherry blossom tree right next to it because you know we’re in Siege one two three and we’re on Bedrock yeah the white console edition did this because that was built for from ground up to be like hopping hop out multiplayer was

Yeah you just you only save the changes to chunks and so by default you don’t ever have to communicate that it made it very efficient um there is the a funny uh like I’m sure you’ve got a fix for this but I think it’s just a funny story that there’s the

Downside of when you uh we have people like there’s this thing called operation Bedrock there’s a lot of people have mine their entire world and so their changes to the chunk is every single block they’ve effectively increased the storage size back up to the uh the terrible things from before no one

Actually does that in a legit survival world so it’s not a thing I’m concerned about but it’s a funny like story that happens on the other end of that that technically speaking if you mind out your entire world you would lose the performance benefits of uh the uh the

Clever thing you’re talking about and I’m guessing also make it much laggier multiplayer yeah you don’t even have to go that far like even my my main realm that I’ve planned the one that you toured before on YouTube channel like in the the core area of that world every chunk has been

Changed no chunk is left untouched everything has been tweaked and modded and shaped and sculpted in mined and dug and you know yeah yeah you’re those that none of that is natural you’re right that’s all yeah so there’s different stuff there’s different caching techniques where you’re like okay I’ve

Gotten this Chunk from the server I know it has you know the Welcome Center and horse barn in it um so I don’t need to ask the server about that again because I can hold on to that in my client memory but then it’s also it’s even more

Interesting because we have so many different platforms we support if you have a PlayStation 5 then you have a really old Android phone and they’re playing on the same server like PlayStation has a lot more memory um the Android server is maybe like but please realm server could you do some of

This processing for me well I’m at my limit it was the PlayStation’s like you know because that is one of the benefits of Realms on Lower power devices is you get that little handoff like okay Realms you can do some of this for me so I can

Just focus on uh you’re right that there is a trade-off that like the PS5 is begging like I’ll do as much of this as I can uh that’s that that is that is a fun uh way of thinking about that so the Improvement is that you’re now or

Eventually you’ll be able to trial out uh picking your own render distance it yeah we would I don’t know if it’ll be pick render distance but you’ll have the option of saying like hey for my realm yes let’s try um some bigger render distance let’s see how it works

Yeah from some options of course as Minecraft always does um there’s that fun bar I’ve always uh this is one of those maybe you’ve you dive into the code it it’s it varies based on your device based on things I can never quite work out I’m always like

So like a phone might give you 32 chunks but a Xbox series X might give you 28 and it’s like I’m sure there’s no way my phone has more power than a than an Xbox controller but it seems to imply that it you know there’s there’s fun things like

That that there’s some behind the scenes calculation that it’s making um to give you your range I think even before I started working at Mojang but I was a professional software developer at Microsoft but I wasn’t working on Minecraft at all when they announced that wait did you have to make

Sorry just did you have to make like real software then like you know like actual things like you know did you do you have like a big upgrade when you moved into like games or was it on other games and stuff too no it wasn’t so like many people it’s actually pretty common

The software industry people grow up as kids like oh I love video games I want to make games um and it ends up the the industry like you can there’s lots of places where you can read lots of discussion online about the health of the games industry but it

Ends up kind of analogous to like Hollywood where there’s lots and lots of people who grow up like oh I want to be a movie star I want to make movies I want to be a director I want to do special effects for movies so it’s like

A dream job where there’s a huge supply of people who really want to do this thing yeah and you end up with some of these jobs are kind of rough because there’s a lot of people who want to do them so the actual job might be kind of

Terrible maybe you’re better off doing something else yeah the way I’ve had it described is you’ll have like maybe triple the salary for a regular job and way less ridiculous expectations because for a dream job you can crunch those people till they die they are they are

There’s a there’s you know for every one man that falls five can take his place but whereas you know like it’s a bit different in other Industries so that’s where you started you start in like just real software and then kind of moved back not not to imply that Minecraft

Isn’t real software uh I started in the games industry um so I was at it working at a game company like I was working on their level editor and stuff when I first started but it was you know literally like you get paid half of what you would

Get paid to do something else and our expectations or oh you should work twice as many hours um and eventually I was like you know this isn’t that great this isn’t everything I hoped and dreamed it would be as a bright-eyed child so I for a while I was working on business software

I did I worked on like Windows mobile and stuff like that Windows Media Player but I spent quite a while working on Microsoft Dynamics CRM which is software helps sales people sell more stuff oh um they have Salesforce is the equivalent I’m guessing that’s the arch nemesis are

They your Zoom to your Microsoft teams or the yeah the Roblox steel Minecraft yes a perfect response you go to like they would have conventions and stuff you know you think of Minecon there’s like an equivalent like sales convention and you go there and like all the people

There like you know I have this Canadian flooring business and we sell heated flooring to people up in Saskatchewan and your software is like the bee’s knees they’re just so excited about what you’re building yeah it’s like well I’m glad I I’m glad I made your day good because that’s

Probably the most interesting part of what I’m working on like yeah Minecraft is completely different it’s like something I’m deeply passionate about it’s been very meaningful in my life some of the experiences I’ve had with my friends playing on the servers over the years do you feel that way a bit about when

You go to like any Minecraft event where you’re like yeah in normal life you’re like kind of low-key but then someone’s like yes your Minecraft realm is the reason I could connect with my son again and you know like uh the it’s like a localized Fame right is what you get at

A Minecraft self area yeah I’m very curious so when I like we haven’t talked about Minecraft Festival in a while there’s kind of this expectation I’ve seen in the community that’s a thing that could happen again um I assume if there was a Minecraft Festival you’d be interested in going oh

Yeah 100 is that is that what we’d meet for railsies you’re saying right now you inviting me on a date to mine Festival I’m I’m there I’m in well I mean if there is a Minecraft Festival in the future I will definitely be going it sounds like you’ll be going so we could

Definitely say hi yeah it’d be great I’m excited I I genuinely like uh yeah it’s 2016 I think was the last in-person event uh because just as they got you know it’s such a this happened in so many Industries right like just as they finally announced going back into in

Person just about to do something like oof big Global event happened who knows what it was but three years of our memory of just uh kind of vanished for a little bit there who knows what happened yeah well I know I was like aged a little bit somewhere in there

Um but yeah I uh to bring that way back uh you I interrupted your actual thought about um Minecraft realms yes yeah your Minecraft building yeah I tend to be long-winded in my answers but eventually I’m getting there it’s good for a podcast I’ve been to mine Fair before which was

Like a third party event and I had like my Minecraft team member shirt on like no one cared like the people who care like the YouTubers that were there like oh there’s OMG chat there OMG I mean yeah anyways yeah yeah too many tangents there let’s soundtrack there’s

I’ve got a whole set of thoughts about those those conventions but we’ll stay on track we’ll get it we’ll get it uh Curious to hear your thoughts on them too yeah for for me I have yet to be in a context where I step out and like oh it’s the Realms guy

I have um I have like this t-shirt that says Mojang on it is like one of the it’s one of the old school ones it doesn’t oh the whole logo and everything and if you wear that around in public you get some degree of attention like

Some of it’s kind of fun like you go to the store and the checkout person’s like hey you’re working Minecraft okay here’s your eggs can you Matt can you add grizzly bears to the game I think I’ve got this really good idea it’s just between me and you you don’t

Have to tell anyone man it’s it’s all yours something like that yeah my yeah the the um children in my life definitely um that’s the number one thing they’re always like hey I want wait David we should have a sassy sunflower that appears in like it gets a sunflower but

This is literally every time I see this kid uh suspicious sunflower that’s a good idea you could brush it and get suspicious seeds and then the suspicious sand was actually it had a different name originally I don’t know if it’s public but at Point some point there was

A like a discussion about what should this block be named the suspicious suspicious gravel and this kid was like in my ear all the time but the sassy sunflower so I was like and someone had suggested suspicious sand it wasn’t my idea but I was like yes yes

Because it’s also a good Minecraft word like suspicious stew has been a thing for a while suspicious sand suspicious gravel it sounds like to me it sounded perfect but it was also like a wink and a nod to this kid in my life was like please please

So I told him afterwards like well you don’t get sussy sunflower something sand in the game now that’s that’s fun I like that I like that a lot I but um the uh so you uh what you works on uh Minecraft after this other thing

And you’ve uh you kind of done a fair few roles before getting to Realms here and uh but I think that whole thing was leading up into like okay so you don’t pick your render distance we’ll be able to pick a simulation distance too though that’s my question because I remember at

One point you trialed increasing that but it wasn’t an option and a lot of people went ah this breaks everything uh yeah which is fun yeah there’s three there are three big feature requests that people always have for realms and like any place you’re listening to the community whether it’s on Twitter

Discord Reddit wherever um these three suggestions will always come up um it’s farther rendered us tense are the simulation distance and higher player count and all three of those have in common all of them have a much bigger server load for the server that’s running some more than others so the the render

Distance obviously the farther you can see the more chunks the server has to be telling the clients about and then it’s also if you’re on a multiplayer server you got 11 people on a realm maybe playing it once maybe all those people are scattered about the world and maybe

They’re in different dimensions maybe they’re scattered across all three dimensions I think there’s a high peak memory load there um so the render distance like we took we talked about earlier there’s some optimizations you can do to be a little bit more clever how you’re sending information around so render distance

Would probably be like we give a broad setting to everyone ideally there’s a slider so you can lower it down we do have on the client side you can lower your slider so if you’re like right now render distance for Realms is 10 11 12.

Yes yeah so if you’re like oh I don’t like this on my phone because I feel like my phone isn’t handling well like you can lower it down to like eight chunks locally and that’s what you’ll see yeah yeah it will pick the lowest of the two not the highest yeah yeah

Um simulation distance though is a little more interesting because it affects how Farms work and other things work it affects what the experience is like when you’re exploring in a dark forest in Minecraft it feels really different on a really tight simulation distance versus a very big one so that

One I would like to add it at some point just because that’s what players want so you always want to sometimes players want something like the example I give is like lava boats they’re like oh I want a boat for lava what if you make it out of iron and then like there’s

Another update like oh fireproof wood well of course you should put some you know crimp warped planks and it’ll u-shape with a warped wood shovel and then you should have a fireproof boat and like the gameplay team they’re like yeah we could do that that would be the

Obvious thing to do but wouldn’t it be more fun if we had a really ugly Cute Mob and then it it has little cute babies and it Shivers when it’s out of the lava and so you have it The Strider is a lava boat but it’s a a way more

Minecrafty lava boat than if it’s a lava horse not a lava but you know I used to I used to agree with the Minecraft people being like yeah it’s a lava boat but as I as I go more and more it’s a it’s it’s rather it’s a lava Pig even

Because you need the the carrot on a stick probably the best it’s uh yeah so I I feel like you know lava boats still don’t have a gameplay spot it’s just there is a lava equivalent that is maybe better and makes more thematic sense uh yeah I still get confused though when

Like it’s it feels so odd to me when you can’t craft a warped boat for the Overworld I’m like I have this wood I’ll craft it and that’s one of those like also things where like if you made it it would make sense for it to be Lava

Resistant but it can’t be love resistant so should you not have it at all like I can see the deep thoughts you have to have as a team behind stuff like that yeah you would probably be surprised even you as an advanced Minecraft player how much thought goes into stuff like

This it’s exactly those sorts of thoughts but well isn’t it weird that you have this wood and you can’t make a photo out of it you connect everything else out of it like but yeah if you could make the bow then people be like why isn’t it fireproof because if I put

In the world it’s fireproof but if you’re making an object out of it and it’s not fireproof like why yeah the fact that some of these things are tricky warped wood makes sticks and the sticks aren’t fireproof is weird but also what are you gonna do right yeah you’re gonna make what sticks

And then you’ve added an inventory issue yeah that is every new feature is a huge Balancing Act uh I think that’s the I think this is like ugly just the scientific method but I think more people When approaching stuff like this should think about it as like okay what

Is the alternative not just like uh like what what could go wrong if you didn’t do this why is this being done more people see something and just think oh this was clearly done just to spike me in this one way but there’s always a lot of thought behind bad decisions even and

That’s one of the you know a lot of bad decisions are good decisions but a lot of bad decisions are just high for way over analyzed way over built um but still well thought out just for the wrong that’s a that’s a good point it’s not to say that sometimes changes don’t happen

And there was effects that we hadn’t considered like one that comes to mind is nether portal Farm gold farms and Bedrock like there’s a certain type of farm where you take another portal and you extinguish over and over yeah yeah as craft as you can and it just um

Zombified piglets just rain out of it and you kill them and you get all this gold we broke that a cup feels like I don’t know maybe a year and a half ago some time ago but there was a different bug fix there was some other bug like you

Know like nether portals are just a recipe for bugs like for a while if you ate while you were going through another portal it’s like a bad idea it could crash your game oh they fixed that now have they I still I still try to avoid eating going for enough portals I’m like

Whatever this one kept going coming back so maybe it’s come back now yeah yeah it’s still I don’t know it’s never people you’re traveling dimensions that’s almost a bit of LOL but yeah that’s that’s funny how that is yeah and so then you have to move so you’re

Not in the stake anymore it makes perfect sense you know but I love that but um so to say like we we’ve made this fix to the nether portal they had the side effect of breaking these gold farms for bedrock and people were immediately very vocal about like

My gold Farms you hate Farms you hate the players yeah and you’re like oh well we actually didn’t intend to break this it’s a side effect and that one we reverted like right away like it was like a hot fix afterwards like well here’s here’s your gold Farm too they

Are okay I feel this one because so many farms are built around bugs that probably should be fixed but then also if you built something in your world it’s kind of unfair to be like ah those hours you wasted that was for a bug and

Not the normal type of bug that we don’t fix the type of bug we do want to fix but then once you say there are types of bugs you won’t fix because it’s been so long now you’re saying that bugs are kind of up to interpretation and you get

A really fun uh like debate about you know should these bugs even exist is this even I I can just emphasize that so much like the the costs and the trade-offs of everything that starts to happen there but um yeah I have to quickly uh take a break and advertise

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Now sorry okay let’s back to Minecraft this is good you found a product that um is sponsoring you that you’re actually passionate about that’s always The Sweet Spot like I watched a lot of YouTube it’s always interesting to see like certain genres of YouTube channels be like brought to you by storyblocks I

Actually use storyblocks to make because I didn’t fly to Libya to film so it’s interesting when they have that and then the the opposite is like obviously it’s something this person does not care about but they just want the money so I admire that second one more weirdly enough like I would have

Assumed until a lot of people say this but I assume people prefer it when you’re like yes this is a money deal welcome to the sponsorship reading for Rey Shadow Legends they are the number one growing and like rather than being like I personally play raid and it’s really really good

Um you know like uh I feel like that’s the balances I but I think most people would just prefer you be passionate about things but then there’s like a fake incentive to be passionate about products that you’re not like you know what I really love I love this VPN

Service nothing gets me up in the morning like having my data protected when I browse online I know it doesn’t work but it feels like it does and that’s what really matters um that’s that to me is the weird incentive in that like I prefer people are dispassionate about the things

They’re advertising like this is an ad this is not you are paid to say this purely monetary transaction does not involved like I mean there are some things like uh you know like for instance you can advertise say uh becoming a member or subscribing or buying a merch piece I am

Of course passionate about you buying my merch but on some level I’m passionate about it because oh yes I will get some financial gain from that and I think that everything should have that little element of disclosure of like yes I can never be as passionate about this in a

Fair way as I can be about Minecraft bugs or you know about uh you know big salmon I can never be the same Fair level of passion because big salmon doesn’t pay me yet um working on the sponsor deal uh get a code use code toy cat get 10 bigger

Salmon but uh in the meantime uh I never thought big salmon has kind of this intonation and some sort of like broad like lobbying groups I will be in the pocket of big salmon soon uh big salmon is motivating all my decisions uh big salmon wants Bedrock to

Be different because it’s in his financial interests soon if he’s on both platforms he’ll just become salmon he doesn’t want that he wants to stay big salmon yeah and it’s just salmon it’s not good anymore what is being big salmon if there’s not small salmon to be compared against it’s

Nothing I tell you um yeah it does have a little bit of a like big tobacco it has like a big farmer big salmon uh it has the same Vibe I see that um so I I want to know um a little bit more about parity I know

It’s not your specific focus and you you can only really talk about the the general I I mean okay you give give me so give me your thoughts on will a hundred percent parity actually be reached or is that more of a goal in the

Same way that I have a goal of living forever or I have a goal of becoming a trillionaire like I can have these goals but I also know the odds of them getting there are so close to zero that it’s more of a idealistic thing it just

Encourages me to eat less rice or eat more rice and uh you know buy it go out to buy lobster roll slightly lesser you know is it the same thing or do you feel like you could see a path to 100 parody oh well you mean you’re not going to be

Like an immortal brain in a jar with my trillion dollars that I’ll have from all the interest or maybe just inflation one of the two yeah no parody it’s interesting because like you said there’s several levels to it there’s stuff like um and things like oh what’s the recipe for

A boat like should I have a shovel should I have a shovel like that’s mostly just a you know having the designers think about what makes the most sense what’s the most fun uh maybe the maybe the shovel makes sense thematically because you’re paddling with the shovel but practically speaking

Have a multi-stage crafting recipe is kind of annoying and obtuse for free steps it’s so many I get I get bored Midway through crafting a boat and then I I give up and I make myself a a chest instead you know why can’t I float in a barrel barrels win

So it’s like that’s like the easy stage of parody where it’s just we need to make a conscious choice but with the right the right thing is to do here now then there’s a little bit harder where it’s things like offhand or Bedrock is my personal parody thing I want the most

I want to eat food in my off hand I want to hold torches in my account these are things I do all the time when I’m playing Java Edition and when I play Bedrock Edition I can’t do them and this is actually more complicated than you

Would expect I did so roughly once a year we’ll do something called a game Jam at the studio where we get a chance to work on whatever we want and sometimes it’s completely frivolous things like oh you know what what if I don’t I almost don’t want to give

Examples okay that’s an example is not coming to the game um Friendly Creeper some like someone had a fun prototype what if creepers could be pets and like they fully thought this out it was very Whimsical and fun it’s not coming to Minecraft it’s not an announcement

Um but I did one of the things I did was offhand for Bedrock because I really wanted mending items and tempting items in the offhand because the Axolotl fighting with an axolotl is much better if you’re offhand can hold a bucket of fish if you can’t in Bedrock currency of

Course so the fight in a bunch of underwater Mobs with axolotls is dramatically worse than Bedrock than it is in Java right now yeah strictly because of the offhand um so I I did an implementation of it and that wasn’t even full offhand it wasn’t even full parity with Java and

Even then it was obvious like there was a lot of work there if you hold the bow and you’re offhand it was looking really weird it mounted your character’s bone in your hand wrong like the Trident was really strange and like there were other problems too and then there’s the big

One for mobile interface like you need a dedicated way to use off hand um of parity like that’s where we want to go we’re going to get there but um it’s more complicated than it might seem a first blush I the high level yeah I’m sorry just to

Take a I I feel like the bigger offhand problem is the the game balance that comes with it a little bit right like is they get they gave the offhand slot a whole second thing but in exchange they you know they slowed down the combat I feel like that’s always the reluctance

That was on there on adding it again I I I’d be interested to learn if you feel like that’s not the case because you would know better than me but that’s what I always felt like was part of the reason I think that is part of the reason as well I uh

I don’t I feel like obviously the combat’s different between Java and Bedrock that’s a whole nother that’s a very hard one yeah a lot of java players might even be happy if the Bedrock combat because they’d just be going back for them uh yeah there’s people who still play

PVP in the pre-combat update because that’s what they prefer and then you know you could argue oh there’s more skill for having this rhythm of clicking right when the cooldown hits and you watch really high level Minecraft players have a PVP like oh this is this is really interesting the way they’re

Using the fishing rod to manipulate people and then you know axes and crits and there’s so much going on yeah okay but yeah another that’s a good example why there’s more to bedrock offhand parody than you might think and maybe it’s like oh we need to rethink

Combat or we need to rethink other aspects of the game like maybe there’s broader ramifications it’s not as simple as or just give it to us already you know like there’s um I think foxy no-tail has an add-on for Bedrock where you can put stuff in your off hand and

It’s like well modders can do this in a day why can’t Mojang do it and you know it’s been so long lazy but yeah the whole narrative it’s complicated if you’re doing it properly for everyone for years yeah I I feel like you could add the bare minimum just like have anything

Work there and see how it goes but then uh I I think as a as a user the reason that gets questionable is because like couldn’t you try it in a beta can you just let us see and then we could have you know but then the problem is once

Something goes into a beta there’s a lot of you know resistance about removing it and so you’ve got to be careful about what you pick as the first versions in that way when you can look at things like the bundle and how that’s viewed like the bundle is effectively still in beta for

Java you can turn it on for your world but it’s not there for everyone’s there’s a lot of like well why why so in general we want players to be happy and not be frustrated so there’s certain ways you can do things where people are like oh I I’m getting good

Stuff yeah I feel like I’m being heard by the company and Minecraft is reflecting the thing I would like it to be whereas there’s another way to do things like wait you had all these awesome things then you took them away and I you know I am mad you know because

Mojang just takes away everything good do you think that they like uh I I imagine there’s some real answer but do features have to get to some internal hurdle before they can even get an abatron snapshot as a result of that because uh you’re you know like the

Example you just gave if you try to add an axolotl in a bucket to the offhand and then like oh it doesn’t work it works all these things poorly um there are very few Minecraft Beta features that end up being removed which is why I feel like that might be true

No you’re absolutely right there’s a pretty high quality bar for stuff so that in code you have What’s called the main branch yep and in bedrock in particular we’re shipping generally every month and that’s shipping a new update to the game every month on all the different

Platforms this bed wrecks on on the same day on every platform like to get back to to an earlier question we’re talking about like something I was impressed with before I started working at Mojang but I was a Microsoft employee so as a professional software developer I know

How you know the sausage is made all that sort of stuff when they announced cross play for it was even before it was Bedrock Edition yeah um it was like Windows 10 dish and everything but they had that big announcement for cross play across all platforms I was like oh

Minecraft might have been the first big game to do that I know a lot of games got on it just afterwards but yeah like phone I was iPhones and Android already was crazy to me but then also PC like and then also they started getting the

Consoles in on it it was it was mind-blowing but and now it’s just taken for granted like yeah of course my switch friend can join me why wouldn’t he be able to either playing Minecraft like I’ll work on the switch code and I’ll work on the iPhone code they’re

Really different like like for Realms like you have to be able to buy the game anywhere and there’s a different platform store everywhere and it’s like different hooks in and out yeah you get a receipt you have to hand the receipt to us to show like hey yeah I bought a

Round look right here you know at Apple Store um like I have to touch all of it and it boggles my mind how good the the parity is between Bedrock platforms um but yeah anyways so that to answer your question about the the bar for things being in beta in preview

Um it has to be in the main branch to be in beta and preview and we have a high quality bar because we need to ship a version out of that Branch every month so if I start being you know Cowboy coder I’m like all right everyone buckets of tropical fish and you’re

Offhand here we go and it’s like half the items don’t work and you’re offhand it’s like oh we can’t ship that but we’ve got it in the code here it’s like you you have to do extra work to put stuff in and the the strategy that we’re

Using right now is called the toggle in game so it’ll be like Instagram toggles like oh next update yes give me all that true yeah that’s the clever way to have like you know 1.20.30 can be worked on well also 1.21 will eventually be able

To be worked on within the same uh kind of stuff that I I do think that is like a clever it’s unintuitive at first but it makes sense why you have to do it with so many uh people working there but to just kind of uh I I know it’s a

Tricky question to kind of just push the tiniest bit further um do you like there even if it’s hard to work out even getting an offhand to work the same between all the devices if it’s hard to work out how combat should work and regeneration how would you ever

Solve the Redstone issue how can you ever solve the the never roof issue where Java players have built up there um but Bedrock players can’t and you have to add a lot of more performance for them to do it or the far lands even like people how would you ever come

Close to solving those so that’s why I was gradually building towards that so we have the really easy ones it’s just a matter of making a conscious Choice the medium ones where we can do this but there’s a lot of steps involved and then kind of the max

Difficulty is what you talked about early like what about full cross play what if I have one realm that bedrock and Java players can play on it’s like to get there and have it be fully officially Mojang supported and all that you would need complete gameplay parity between both versions

You would need you know the Redstone works the same we have see I I think it is possible like I think you could have quasi-conductivity parity you would have to do um this is my personal opinion this is not a problem but the way I

Would do it if this was what I was working on I would have like a quasi-piston where um you can choose like do I want a regular piston or a quasi-piston and then I can choose whether I want to make a Jeb door or whether I want and you’d have to convert

Every single piston on one platform to or Java let’s just say to the Quasi piston yeah so if I was designing this I’m not yeah yeah obviously yeah yeah that’s a this is a hypothetical you’re not currently working on Redstone differences but that is a solution that

You see that could work if someone implemented it yeah it’s something as a Minecraft fan something I think about and there’s Realms Tech lead and devil lead I think about like well it would be nice if you could just buy one realm and anyone could play there especially when

People see like oh I can go on you know these custom communicated server software and I have bedrock and Java players playing together and we’re going to a virtual concert in Minecraft and why can’t I do that on a problem like well well let’s think about it you know

How would it work but um yeah I think you would have to upgrade the Java world and all those Pistons would turn to quasi-pistons and you upgrade the Bedrock world and all those Pistons would be normal Pistons but then you could build a different type of piston in your different worlds and like

There’s possible ways you could solve it you have to do that but every piece of redstone I think right because every single piece might be powered in a certain way um yeah it’s a lot of not quite that bad but yeah there there is it’s hard because people like you said people

Build computers inside the game and you know I have a functional laptop and it’s running in Minecraft and then it’s running the game of Minecraft or you know whatever and that’s incredibly impressive and it’s always kind of bad when you break stuff like that the people work so hard yeah tough challenges

So tough choice you do think that there is a pathway there it’s not like uh you know if I would be quite defeatist I’d be like okay this is a fun goal like becoming a trillionaire but you think it’s like yeah actually it might take years it might take you more than you

Know might take decades but you feel like there is a direct path someone could follow to get from here to there it would it would be a long and challenging path I I don’t know if we can get there but kind of the the phrasing you hear is

It’s our North Star that’s our goal is like we want you to feel like you’re playing the same game when you’re playing job or a Bedrock but at the same time I’m never going to visit the North Star itself I can go north a lot but

I’ll hit the North Pole I won’t ever hit the star yeah that’s true going north yeah you know disappointed on some level exactly it’s it’s crazy wait I’m back where I started well funnily enough actually just to be a bit of a nerd when you hit the North

Pole every direction is north but then no every direction is South you can’t hit North anymore yeah yeah you would be on the the geometric North and you’d be like reaching out towards towards Polaris like yeah it should have brought some scaffolding with me yeah right yeah

Scaffolding we had some uh air for my cows to float me up there I feel like uh so to for a more fun so actually first of all do what is something about working at uh Minecraft Mojang Studios that you think the average person might be surprised by

Because I felt like every career has something like this and Minecraft developer must be one of the most opaque on inside outside jobs based on the fact that you know you do five minutes of work a day uh you know working on something that could be done in 20

Minutes if you’re a modder but you spend years working on it you know like but Jokes Aside like there there is this real disconnect between your uh what what looks likes happening and what I assume is what you’re doing so what is a what is something you think the average

Person might be surprised about to do of your job it’s a good question and something you know I see a lot because I’m most people the studio are not on Twitter or you know any social media but I am so I see lots of these thoughts

And I think a lot of people don’t understand just how much work goes into updates and how much of it is not visible work like it’s the minority of the stuff that you’re working on that has directly reflected in game and you’ll see people talk about you know

Speculated by how big the studio is and you where you have how many people working on this and you know back in you know 2009 no there was barely anyone and look at all the great things that happened and now you have so many people like well most of the people at the

Studio are not directly working on new blocks and mobs um there’s lots of people who are doing things like you know managing you know marketing campaigns or thinking about what type of Creeper pajamas should be in season next year or you know working on other projects outside the game where even um

Like for realms for instance a lot of the stuff we do is not things you’ll directly see when you’re playing it’s things like you know Google comes to us and like hey there’s a new type of um purchase receipt for when someone’s subscription is collapsed and you can

Put them in a certain State and then it’s more helpful for the player like so that even that one is more customer facing than many things but like I had to do work to add a new type of um lapped subscription support for if you’ve purchased your realm on a you

Know an Android device and that takes a lot of time yeah yeah that’s not something like if you post that on Twitter people are like okay give me torches in my off hand or you know whatever just take the time that you would have spent making that realm

Work in uh lap subscription State on Android phones and give everyone the Torches and their offhands and then everyone’s happy right but in a kind of serious way do you think like they could we you know it could be done better so that more work is uh customer facing

Like uh if you obviously you can’t actually just take a marketing person and say you go uh make Health regeneration work the same way it does in Java you uh a HR manager quickly get in here you need to but uh if you could be like okay we’ve got this many people

Uh why don’t we dedicate more of them to working on blocks and items and mobs and uh gameplay mechanics and whatever else um do you think there’s a good there’s a fun reason or or is it just like different business priorities Etc well um it’s something you get a strong

Appreciation for when you join the studio like I I had made an indie game before and published an Xbox Live indie games and so I’m doing everything myself there I’m well I didn’t do all the artwork at a friend who did the artwork but I was doing like all the voice

Acting and programming and do the marketing like think about oh where can I advertise my game you know you’re doing all this stuff and um you ship a game like people bought it people played it people make YouTube videos about it so it was fun but when

You go join like a big Studio like Mojang it’s interesting to see like what does a professional game designer do because everyone like you talk to pretty much any video game fan I’m sure you’re the same you’re like well I could design a good game you know I know what makes a

Game fun I know what good gameplay Loops might be um so why can’t I be a video game designer and it’s kind that’s kind of the dream job I think for aspiring game developers was like I want the idea the one dream job is to be the only dream

Job that actually exists in that reality is Todd Howard and I bet he does a lot of programming too like he uh he does have the skills in that way but I built I bet he he has the one dream job of just yeah I’m the ideas guy I I manage

What happens and uh I feel like there is no other unless you’re an indie Studio where you have to do everything else too no one ever gets to the the idea man the yeah the guy who just everyone has ideas and that’s the easiest and most fun part of game

Development is coming up with the ideas the really hard part is doing those ideas well so it’s interesting to see it as an example of a specific role that would be easy to gloss over if you’re a Minecraft fan going why doesn’t everyone work on blocks and mobs so professional game

Designer they spend a lot of time like writing Wiki pages in Microsoft Word documents and proposals and thinking about like thinking about new features from every single angle and even on the Realms team like we’ll have designers thinking about there’s some new stuff we’re working on with you know some gameplay implications

And the designers like they’re thinking blue sky like oh what about this what about that what what if it worked this way what about that way and my role as devly it was like well this is going to take you know you know 500 Dev hours to

Do and this one’s like 200 and this one I don’t think we can support long term so there’s all these there’s a healthy tension between creative Wonder practical considerations and you’re balancing back and forth between them but it’s interesting to see a professional game designer is really

Like a it’s a whole different mindset than like a programmer or an artist or pixel artist and it’s the same with marketing too like I have friends who are in marketing and you think like oh marketing oh you know the waste of time or whatever like no there’s a whole like

Skill and technique to like well how do we Market something effectively like oh there’s a new Realms feature well when should we start talking about it and what should we say at what times and like if you do it well people get really excited and the community is really

Anticipating stuff if you do it really poorly then people like um they feel terrible about things they feel like you’ve take broken your promises and taken things away from them and um anyway all that just say like there’s a lot of people at the studio and they’re doing specialized things but

There’s a lot of value there that’s not always obvious for a Minecraft player I think the equivalent of that dream job idea where you’re like I want to do this but actually there’s a bunch of other things that go on supporting it is actually uh like uh gaming YouTubers or

Streamers or whatever as someone who’s in that industry people like I like to play games why am I not getting paid I I heard this guy makes a million a year why am I not getting paid for that much I’m playing way more games than him but

It’s like well actually yeah there’s uh you’re you’re really doing a big job of marketing all the time you’re doing that you’re this job you need to be it’s it’s the interesting same thing that like every every professions public facing this is what it looks like has a whole

Stack of things existing below that the the actuality of doing that job or doing that thing um and I think that’s incredibly interesting but I uh I do need to say it’s it’s been an hour I appreciate uh you’re joining me this is longer than normal it’s it’s been a a riveting time

We’ll have to share those uh those deep secrets and mindfare thoughts uh off camera for now but before we go uh do you where where should people find you would you like them to find you um like on Twitter hopefully not yeah okay on Twitter I’m Corner heard MC

Every place also just Corner heart is there was already someone who was Corner photographer okay um but if even if you go on um like threads I’m Corner hard on there I have like a placeholder on there oh nice gonna get ready I was going to ask you

Before I go if I could ask you a question yeah I’d love that what is your channel and follow us your social media feed like you’re an avid traveler right I’m yes I’m constantly admiring how much you travel around a couple different experiences with pigeons and foxes and

Weird restaurants oh that’s grown in my house there’s uh the pictures that’s just outside my house right now I could get one for you if you want I can uh you can try and blow one in here but yeah sorry what’s your question where’s a place you would like to travel

To that you have not been yet oh uh this is a good this is a good one um so I feel like everyone there’s a list of places that everyone vaguely knows you you want to go like I I uh I think uh like I know Alaska would be really

Interesting because but I think the ones that interest me most are kind of the ones that have this layer of oh it is there’s a layer of trickiness to get there like I I think Greenland it’s quite close to everything but also 60 000 people live on the entire Island so

Like going somewhere like that really interests me and so the the one of those that is maybe the highest in the world um has to be some of those specific Island countries that have like a quarter million people each the most realistic is something like Fiji or

Maybe like uh Micronesia or something uh but there’s I would love to go just because maybe Antarctica either to even two but I I feel like the opposite that I want to go the furthest place away that I can feel like I’ve been because the problem for being being in

The UK is the furthest away actual place geographically is New Zealand but New Zealand feels so ridiculously similar because of the cultural yeah it’s like I’m like did I did I even leave did I just go for a you know a 20-minute drive down the road or something

Um and so going somewhere that is like yeah this is an island culture that hasn’t really interacted that much of the world uh hasn’t really globalized so much I think those would be the most interesting or just somewhere remote that’s close like the Pharaoh Islands or Greenland or even Alaska like uh going

Anywhere around that would be interesting I hear they have a Blockbuster yeah yeah right a little bit of retro they haven’t they haven’t got the memo up there uh what what about yourself is there someone on somewhere on your travel bucket list right now that you’re

Like oh man I’ve um fat and Dubai looks really interesting to go to I’ve never been there before they they have some it’s just a very like you said very different environment very far away from where I live very different ecologically and like socially so I think it’d be a

Sit Adventure I love the idea of Dubai not because of the ecology because that like sounds like hell to me like I’m I don’t do well in heat and it’s like 40 something degrees there all the time um wait a hundred and something if you’re a Fahrenheit look at me

Converting very poorly on the fly but um yeah it’s um it’s it’s very uh to me they built up environment like I love places where it looks like humans shouldn’t live and we’re like yeah we built a mega City here it go we got skyscrapers going this High that’s how

This it’s almost like the Vegas effect of like there is a ludicrousness that there’s anyone here let alone that there’s this much here I love places like that too kind of the opposite of what I just said but um yeah that’s always Phoenix Arizona I think it was like all ostrich Farmers

Before air conditioning was invented I didn’t hear this fairy tale recently but the whole South basically like third of the United States is just yeah before air conditioning people just didn’t do much during The Summer’s there it’s crazy how much of the world has become habitable there’s no also I love I love

The Paradox the the more AC we’re adding to the world the more we’re heating it up and needing more AC as a funny part we should just work out AC that works Planet wide we could solve so many problems that way right just well we need this many BTUs Shields

I mean you know if if we could just rather than putting sunscreen on ourselves individually what if we sunscreened the atmosphere and then we’d all be safe all the time this is uh you know we should work on science ideas uh next time we talk just we clearly got some great ones

Imagine on Earth there’s a knob that adjusts the shutters for the sun like we have natural Sun children’s face imagine the squabbles over there yeah you think about it like in the office like oh it’s too cold in here turn it up like you’d have that for the whole

Planet all the the fighting yeah yeah that’s it’s it’s it’s uh I I can imagine you’d have to do like individualized little individual screens for each country but then even in a country it’s like you know the South wants a little bit colder the north ones are a little

Bit warmer you know this is this is uh I’ll keep coming with ideas and you keep working on it implementing them and then we’ll split the money 50 50. uh we great uh get your science guy in here we gotta we got solid um but yeah no I I really do look

Forward to meeting you if they mine Fest or mine uh Minecon if I even dare to call it that happens um you know I I feel like that’d be the perfect way to Full Circle let’s just say okay we’re calling it Minecon we know we know we’ve been calling this

Minecon but we we know you like you want you want this and that uh but whatever it is I’d love to uh and if not I’m sure I’ll be in Seattle for so I feel like there’s there’s a billion things always happening there uh because it’s the home

Of the all the tech but yeah I look forward to seeing you whenever that is thank you for this digital where you couldn’t see my face um you know revealed to everyone right now because of the way I’m recording he didn’t get to see me so he’s staring

Into the void but I’ve appreciated uh your attention and your answers today oh likewise it was a lot of fun chatting with you it really was it it flew by and now I now I have to get to my real obligations again uh but yeah have a good evening morning afternoon

One of those it’s such a time difference Jesus yeah yeah I’m I’m like I’m working on dinner and you’re you’re gonna have maybe lunch soon it’s it’s crazy anyway yeah have a good one thanks you as well