Uncover the Epic Minecraft Library Project

Hello uh welcome to the continuation of our Christmas lectures here at sta University um today uh we have with us uh Jody Heap who’s going to talk through the uh the Minecraft Library project we have um here at staff unit you excited for this uh jimie I am um as a little

Sneak peek one of the next episodes of our internal podcast at level of detail is on Minecraft and I dominated that entire podcast um very excited for for this talk I think this this is quite fun because it links back to what Chris was talking about about you know gamifying

And in in in higher education so um so um we’ll bring Jody up and uh we we’ll let her um take the stage and um together we can explore the um The Minecraft Project let’s do it hello um hi everyone I mean I want to be

Invited on that podcast maybe I could be a guest you know feature um so so yeah my name is Jody Heap I’m one of the academic Librarians and skills cheers and um for this session I am going to be telling you about the project um I am going to

Hopefully take you on a tour of the virtual library and then at the end tell you about if you are interested in helping me create more of these things how you could do that so let’s get into it so The Minecraft Project it’s um a little bit of an alternative way of

Engaging with the library so I’m going to give you a bit of background to the project on how we came up with the concept of it how it was created and how you can get involved with helping uh the research project so the background to the virtual

Minecraft world um starts in 2021 when the library went through a full restructure so totally different setup new team members just a total different system and in line with that the university had some restructuring as well around the school areas um Esports Computing games all that kind of getting

Mixed into it um so during that time I got allocated to Computing games and Esports I have a bit of an interest in that area I’m pretty aligned with um the subject content at least I have an interest in it um playing bould is gay at the moment with questionable ability but still

Um and in conversation with staff and students we kind of identified that the some of the students were a little bit less interested in engaging with the library with the library products um and there’s the support that is available to them through the university through the academic skills team Etc so the question

That I would had was how do I best engage these Learners how do I get them um to come and use the service um so I had to think about it and I identified that there was a few different uh variables uh that I could control potentially um which kind of resulted in

A combination of looking at ux and like front end systems um the web Library website it has to um serve a lot of people it serves staff students researchers um people who are international our partner institutions so as a result of that demand there’s

Not a lot that we can do to make it too um you know stimulating shall we say um because the products in there need to be able to serve everybody’s needs and that user experience is really important and that access to those products is really important but that isn’t to say that I

Couldn’t create a different avenue for certain people who uh are interested in a a slightly more engaging um system or Avenue of access um to get through to the library systems um I had to consider what did I have access to as a am member of the university is there something

That was already available to me through the suite of systems that the university would give me access to how much um user knowledge would be involved in this process I have to say hands up I’d never really engaged with Minecraft before I started uh creating the the virtual

Minecraft Library so it did take me quite some time to get to grips of it um and understanding the differences between the additions that we have so the addition that we are using for this project is Minecraft for Education as opposed to bedrock or Java which does have some interesting um access um

Complications um because it’s not able to be servered server Le unfortunately um but it is downloadable so pros and cons to both systems so it had to be something that everyone would have access to so it had to be free to the users it had to be available through the

It infrastructure and it had to be something that I had the capacity to engage with and support so that’s a little bit of the background so I’ll just play a video if it works we’ll see um you never know with these PowerPoint embedded videos if not we’re going to skip that because

There we go um so the template that has been used is a museum temp so I will say hands up I didn’t make the building I would have been extremely impressed with myself if I had but I did use the template to speed up that process but it seemed to

Me that this Museum template looks really like a really hecking cool library and it had all these segments and sections that I could use to naturally flow and stricture the information that I wanted to present um and it could be a con combination of novelty for the user and a combination

Of of um perhaps Nostalgia if you’ve used it previously as a student so it felt to me like it was going to be a really good template to use um so on the left hand side of the building I have access to all of the resources projects

And links where you can talk to the NPCs and learn about what are books and databases and journals and you can access through to those live systems through the library website on the right hand side you can talk to uh the MPC about the support that’s available so

The three different Library teams and again linking through to our more like academic skills guide content and in between we have um flips and switches which relate to the electronic sound systems which are for booleans um and upstairs we have the knowledge uh floor where you can learn how information and misinformation and

Um all that sort of stuff comes into application when we talk about critical thinking so it’s kind of a nice adaption of the library website and also a bit more of a visualization tool so the activity that we’re going to attempt to embark on is a bit of a

Library tour so you have the option to download Library uh download Minecraft for Education if you are on your own device um or using the university device it should be preloaded and then you can download um and even um access the file on your own or you can join me with my

Share link so we’re gonna we’re gonna attempt it um so yeah so the link in the chat and on screen will take you through to the libraryies guide on how to download the program and how to download the file um so let’s see let’s that’s it let’s play the video

Every time I run this video I have to double check because it do you like to move the access points for these things but so far I think it works but every time I come on it’s a different location cool all right let’s get into

It okay so I’m going to hang here for just a little while to give people a chance if they are if you are interested in downlo Lo in the program if you don’t have it already and um I’ve popped the share link into the chat and on screen

You can see the join visual code as well so I’ll just give you about few minutes or to to join um if you are interested um and if not no worries I will be doing a tour of the residents anyway just uh you know whilst we’re waiting

For people to to pop in um Jody what’s your um what’s your favorite aspect of the um of the whole project oh that is a good question my favorite aspect is the idea that I think libraries T typically seem quite I I liaries can seem a bit boring

They’re a bit stereotyped there I said it um and I don’t agree with that I think that the resources that we have access to the the systems that we engage with the people that we engage with are constantly changing I mean I am just so

Into Ai geni and and that sort of stuff at the moment because it impacts directly on the liaries and the works that we do so I’m always looking for ways we can gamify ways we can play and have a bit of fun whilst learning in that process um I particularly like the

Minecraft world because you get to create you know an example of how a Boolean switch would work using the the red Sandstone I mean like that’s just cool right yeah I think a lot of children you know kind of get their first um introduction to to basic programming

Inside of Minecraft um because you know you know Redstone is just big and on off right yeah so it’s um a really cool learning tool yeah so if you then talk to the NPC next to the like switch setup that we have that will then literally show you the Boolean operators running

Through the library search so you can see how that combination of keywords is actually the same process like it’s you know it’s connecting the dots and like resulting in an output um and because a lot of people think that Library databases are they’re just so complex and can’t possibly be you know

Understood but they’re not really so it’s a it’s a good Hands-On tool which I quite like yeah I think what I like is that if you are an if you’re an individual you can go in and explore the world and see what the resources and support are but

You can also perhaps run it through as a class session and you know have it like as a treasure hunt sort of scenario or as an activity that you all do together so you know depending on you could set up a study hour for your classmates to all come into the library Minecraft

And do some studying together and access the products that way so I think it could be really you know really useful as a all awesome Well what we’ll do is we’ll give it another uh about five minutes or so see if anyone does want to get um to

Join in uh and then if not by then uh we’ll let Jody go through and uh and give um give us a toour I’m afraid I’ve tried to download it many times in the last 20 minutes uh since I was told hey Jamie during this talk you can play

Minecraft uh and my computer has decided no no [Laughter] yeah we’ll just have to do it later I’ll have to come and we’ll I can always open Boulder’s Gate that works uh how how long did it take to um get the um the project together J like was

It was it a line proc sort of from the kind of conception of the idea through to like implementation it was a full Academic Year that’s mainly due to the fact that I did not know what I was doing in Minecraft so there was a lot of user

Error in that time and of course having to kind of fit it in around my full-time uh job as it were um but yeah I would say was it was I kind of understood what I could and couldn’t do it kind of came quite quickly I really wanted to try and make

Um images of the logos of the brands of the products that we have in there and then be linkable and that just hurt my brain too much so I tapped out and to go down the NPC route which is you know less visually cool but um it does it

Does the job um yeah rning around now there’s people running into the museum some people running the museum yeah um okay what we’ll do is is J we’ll pass back to you um you can run us for the museum and show us all the exciting things that uh we’ve been working on

Okay let’s go come on program ESC there we go okay so as you can see we have the museum building here I have uh red blocked it just to try and stop people floating off into space because that was occurring in some of my uh user experience testing

Um the front ENT Rance we have here introduces um I kind of went for a Harry Potter Hogwarts esque VI with all the lanterns at the top um the first NPC that we come across is moss who greets you and welcomes you to the library and lets you know um the different Avenues

You can go to get support or resources so let’s head over onto the left hand side of the building and go see the result ources so again we’ve got our assistants I’ve set up the shelves um and all the Jey numbers are correct according to the

Dey Decimal System so it’s a little you know nod to reality there but all of these guys in the middle if you talk to them they will tell you a little bit about what that kind of resource type is and you can click to learn more and it

Will take you through to that website if it wants to load on my Computer yeah it’s just my internet being slow running too many programs but yeah um so you can come in and talk to these my favorite section is the computers at the back because they take you directly through into the library catalog system which is where we have the sort of

Aggregated um content so Library search is where we keep the majority of our academic material so your academic books your academic journals your academic video videos and the a toz databases is more individualized in that it’s um multimodal content which is more what we would call contextual information so

Typically you want a thing from library search and a thing from the a toz of databases in your assignment to have really really good solid conversations around whatever topic it is um and it it it just comes together really nicely uh so you can see here the library

Search is coming through so it’s all authenticated via the libraryies um programs uh the open Athens that we use anyway so there’s no issues there um with any of the sort of authentication systems um glitching or anything through Minecraft because it’s already run through the library website in the center we have

Um resources that are specifically study skills based so in here you have things like the subject guides and site them right so although these are individual resource products they’re not subject specific so it’s nice to be able to put them slightly to the side in between that resource and support

Categorization because they are support resources um oh do we have a question I can’t see it I think that might be for someone else too many chats going on um and on the right hand side uh we can come over into the connect teams let’s just give that a go for a second

Comment aha do people ever engage in Shenanigans in the library yeah I mean in the um downloadable uh version of the file they like with the world so if they want to start trying to mine uh they can do the sort of upside down of the education element is the fact that

Um it’s it’s sort of that education version where everything is kind of free anyway um so it kind of takes away some of that um want for Destruction and Mining and stuff um but yeah the the upside is that you have everything you already want anyway so you could do

Anything you want with it um unlike normal Minecraft where there’s that scarcity element um um yeah um yeah so here we have links through to the student connect team links through to Beacon Bar uh online workshops you can um talk to the academic skills team that I belong to and book your onetoone

Appointments find an error with one of the systems which you know occasionally happens with having as many systems as the library has you can report problem and on the far side you’ve got your links through to specific uh assignment types like essays or presentations or

Posters um and to add a little bit of Interest I did add in um the Minecarts which is the pain of my existence because I can never get them to ruin how I want them to so if anyone knows how to improve my mine carts please let me know because I tried to

Make it so that they would run around properly but um I’m just not it’s not my great moment my my mine carts and at the back of the library we have our Boolean operators redand um systems so you can flick the switches and see how they need to combine

Together to turn on the box and here you can talk to the NPC run the and action and it will launch both um keywords using the Boolean operative and in the library search so we can see how those prr programs come together I think that’s quite

Nice um my I have two favorite sections I guess you would say is upstairs we have the um Library knowledge floor I guess we would call it um where you can look at the information pyramid and this is where I would really say the um information section comes in because

A lot of students ask us well okay what what do I do with that product now that I’ve seen it or how does it integrate with my assignment so on the left hand side we have things like general knowledge um into case studies those are typically examples that you might see

Coming through into the general internet so you might get those reported in um newspapers and then things that are a little bit less visual maybe are uh randomized control trials our critically appraised articles all the way through to our systematic reviews and you can see that that is echoed on the right

Hand side by our source of information so that generalist information newspapers and websites might report on our case studies whereas typically you need to go to a journal or a specific database for that more sort of higher level analysis of those specific things and again you can talk to all the NPCs

And they will take you through to supporting information on the right hand side to these guys we have a little bit of information about how to assess information so we have the crap test here uh which is how you assess the source to see if it’s good enough this

Is particularly relevant in the age of generative AI because we can’t can’t assess those outputs very well for their suitability or inclusion in anything academic at the moment at least um and specifically fake news is a big issue at the moment again because we have things

Like deep stakes and in uh audio uh AI creation which are tricking people and just the sort of imagery of it all um I’m really fascinated by the creation of the II geni um influencers and the sort of impact that is having um so yeah fascinating um and then in the back here

We have a little bit of referencing and again you can talk to those guys and students did help me set this section up so if you come to this back section there is a picture here and if you talk to the MPC he recommends that you don’t look too closely at the

Image which is interesting and hopefully this is where I suck at this you can actually go through that I was so impressed that a student showed me how to do that um and in this secret back room we have two Escape rooms that are run via

Uh one note so I colleague of mine has an escape and save the library Adventure setup that you can access via this system so again you can access it and I am in the process of creating a maze to uh add to the fun of that scenario again

Any volunteers would be very helpful here um and one of the biggest things that I have made uh to kind of make this place a little bit more fun um is after you’ve had all the excitement indoors if you come outside to the back room you can

Check out my essay maze so a lot of students say to me that they think essays are a little bit like mazes they don’t know if they go in the right direction they don’t know who to talk to or what to do um so I have actually

Created a maze where you have to talk to the right people to figure out the directions and steps you need to go through to make a essay um and because it’s all Redstone there’s no flying over it I think Theory at least if I’ve set up the settings

Correctly which you know is questionable um yeah so it’s a nice A little Adventure if you uh want to go check that out you can go and explore the maze um and see if you can figure out the way forward so that is pretty much it I’m

Going to hang in the chat um and we can have a m round together and if you’ve got any questions let me know carry on playing and I will talk to you about how to uh support the project if you are interested um thank you

Yes that was awesome yeah um how how do people um if they if they did want to sign up to help with the the research study what would be the process for them to do that so well I have some handy dandy slides to do that so from current slide let’s do it

So if people were interested in signing up or helping me with continuing this project if you think that this is something that Library should be doing more of or that you think is you know interesting that we have done or perhaps you just think that’s a weird thing that

We’ve done but you kind of want to comment on it um I am looking for research participants um so anecdotal evidence from student stud um staff and students say we think this is a cracking project and that we really it’s interesting that the library has done this um but for us

To continue to maintain it and invest in it we do need some more um scientific evidence shall we say to um back us up so we are looking for students to be uh part of the research project um for this you would answer a few simple survey

Questions about who you are what your background is and you would then be filmed playing the game for a little bit you would get to feedback on the elements that you like what you didn’t like what your general thoughts are about the project um so that we can

Continue um this uh kind of exciting research and Innovation that I think that we should be interested in um so if you are interested you can sign up to take part you can either sign the uh you can either click the code which I will

Uh click the link up which I will share afterwards with everyone or you can scan the QR code and it’ll take you through to a participant sign up form um where you can submit your email and I’ll get in touch rev you to arrange a date uh so we’ve got a question what’s

Next how does it grow yeah this is it I want to know I need to I need Student I need users to tell me now what do PE what do we want next do we want links to um other parts of the University do we

Want I don’t know what what can we do with this project next um I think that there’s a lot of scope that we have here to to make it exciting and usable and a integral part of university uh life um but yeah I’d really love some feedback

To give me a direction to take it in um so yeah I’m going to pause there and I’ll see if there’s any further questions or thoughts um and I will continue to walk around the world um as we go get back to the beginning just so we

Can see the Majesty of the building so I just thought the template was very nice yeah so um that’s that’s essentially it but yeah hey jie it’s us the hosts we have returned uh I wanted to ask what inspired you first to sort of do this

Project um so the uh there is a group called the sumc um project which staff can sign up to which is basically a bit of Minecraft tra a bit of Microsoft training um where you are specifically asked to engage with Microsoft product that you are less familiar with um and

To investigate how you might use it in your work uh which is a really nice project for staff and the only one that I hadn’t really uh engaged with or had much confidence with was Minecraft um so I thought bet I’m gonna have a go at

That I’m G to find out what other games Microsoft so I can get after playing games that sounds fantastic it did feel a bit weird in the middle of the staff office get cracking out Minecraft but you know it’s for educational purposes so yeah so yeah it was and I just when

We were looking at it and I was like looking at the templates and it just so happened that I went to a little like educational conference online that when they launched the museum template and I thought well that looks like a really nice light to me um so yeah I just started playing

Around with the tool I think it’s undervalued how useful it can be to just have a bit of a play with a new system and consider how it could be used um and I appreciate that Minecraft perhaps for some people is considered um you know bracketed at secondary school age but a

Lot of the students and stuff that I I speak to enjoy playing it and enjoy using it as a product so you know why not it’s a good G and you’ve built it into a really really cool looking tool here yeah what I would like to do is have some more secret rooms

And puzzles to unlock to you know kind of make it a little bit more like an escape room at the same time um again I would love some expertise or assistance with that um this is in Back to the early years of Minecraft on YouTube when

A lot of Minecraft YouTube was um almost like escape room type maps that people have made with like narratives and stuff like that and I like that you’ve it it continues through into the educational setting which is really really cool yeah well I think you know a lot of um an

Assignment is about having curiosity about the questions that are related to the subject like how do we know this how um could this be improved what what what you know asking questions of yourself and of of the knowledge that you have so I think when you’re in a library

Scenario you’re just surrounded by all these cool things that you could ask yourself do I know that let like let me go read that let me go check it out and what I like at the moment is a lot of the library content is really moving towards this

Multimodal capacity so like videos um audio imagery as well um which I just think is you know a great I think we we do have a markof forms link there was a question and we’ll get to you uh to Neon um but um we have a Microsoft forms link if anyone wants to

Offer any feedback on how the um sessions have gone um just so you know we know how to you know further improve in the future um so if you would like to to fill that form’s link out and we have a question from neon that says Minecraft

Is quite accessible um and it’s that that it’s it’s really cool to uh to see it being uh being utilized this way which I think we can all agree with it’s it’s awesome to um to kind of gamify um education and especially like um making learning fun like having access to a

Wider range of knowledge like I the last time I think I went to a library was I don’t know when I was maybe 10 um so yeah I think that’s it I think you know there’s a an academic University Library is just so different and I I think because you have

This perception of like the books on the shelves and and Computing games and orts particularly kind of not necessarily being about reading loads of books that we kind of think oh it’s not for me then but that that couldn’t be further from the truth I think you know

Being able to say okay well I want to know about narrative I want to know about broadcasting and the lobby has the products that I’ve recommended to you to to use so you know any system that can bring those people to those products is going to be useful I mean I’m I’m

Incredibly fascinated by the idea that the library World um as a look at as a industry we you know how will virtual reality how will artificial reality impact on how we engage with users um there’s a you know the amount of ux conversations going on is just you know massive um so don’t

Don’t miss out on accessing your library whether it’s physically or digitally or through Minecraft I wouldn’t sleep on us we’re pretty good really awesome to hear Jody thank you I’m sorry you couldn’t get in no it’s it’s it’s it’s my computer’s fault we’ll blame the computer I really should

Be using un University Computer um they should the it have assured me that all the university computers do have it pre-programmed like in their download list I look forward to seeing this being being widely used um although I I will I am worried I’m gonna see a lot of my students playing

Minecraft now and not be able to tell if they are sting something you know as in the library yeah we do have a really awesome collection on uh in the library like both sides yeah of the campus like we’ve got the the creative collection which I

Believe is just below me I’m sat in the Cadman building um but are there plans to like fully digit digitalize some of those copies into Minecraft you can read them in Minecraft or is it where else do you think you could go with this yeah so that’s a good question so I

Everything that is available through the library is is available through the linking via the NPCs so I could of course link to direct specific texts um as opposed to just the search database if that was something that people had a preference for or that that that’s kind

Of the issue is that I don’t really know at this point what people would want to access so I’m kind of having to go more generalist and wide um but yeah the authentication is happening from the Library end anyway so linking to a product should be easy to do um just

Sorry I’ve got another question for you from the chat uh do you think this is an effective method for encouraging students to read more I’ve noticed that younger people read a lot less compared to when I was that age that is from neon yeah again I think that’s an interesting

Question because to to in a class what I would normally ask is who reads books and it would be definely silent and then I would go okay who uses the internet and everyone puts their hands up so to that I would say that we’re probably the generations that read

The most because we are using the internet you know daily hourly and that that comes with it a lot of text-based information so the real question is do we think people are struggling with reading long long form media as in long pieces of text yeah I think there’s less

Of that going on I don’t know if that’s a a bad or a good thing I think it kind of tracks through into the idea of are people able to ask themselves what they need to know and then find that information and typically the answer to that would be

No because you kind of get caught into the the issue of a lot of students are really good at searching for generalist information on generalist websites and unfortunately due to capitalism uh a lot of academic content is hidden behind pay walls it’s not necessarily freely accessible um so therefore it’s it’s a

Two-part issue if we’re not necessarily seeking out long form media you know and we don’t know where to find that academic content so you’re kind of getting a barrier in in two locations there so the long answer to that short question was do I think this would help

People access information yes I do because it’s very userfriendly and it it supports the physical allocation of resources and products um because a lot of people don’t understand that we have subject content and study skills content and those are generally mixed together so yeah long question to the answer but

Yeah I’ve got another one for you uh and this one is from our own Jennifer telenor uh is there any data on what type of information is most commonly accessed in this Library followed by a smiley face yeah um I don’t currently get data analytics through the content links this way

Because the issue is that it’s linking back through to the main library website which is up traffic as a website in and of itself so I can see the amount of downloads that I have had for this product but then what I can’t necessarily do at this moment is track

The person after they’ve downloaded the item to see how many times they’re using it and then I can’t necessarily get that usage data as an end product either because the website is um naturally populated anyway so I think there is some conversation that I could maybe do that through Google analy itics but

Again I don’t have the skill set in that area which is really frustrating because it would be so fascinating to know um to to know the usage of this this product um I mean I did have an IT technician cursing me a couple of months back because of the amount of downloads he’s

Had to support um so I thought that was a good sign popularity via annoyance of the it people supp [Laughter] yeah so it would be it would be nice to be able to get that more specific data to uh usage but I don’t know currently

That I can and then we get into the sort of gdpr issues so sign up to my research and then we can get some data that way awesome this is really cool I wish I had this resource when I was trying to do research in the middle of the covid

Pandemic that would have been lovely well that’s um a really fascinating project um Jody so what we’ll do is is we’ll um if anyone has any um any feedback you want to offer um from from the uh the talk you can follow through our our forms link here um and U you can

Give us feedback from there and what we’ll do is we’ll uh we’ll stay around for about five more minutes if there any more questions and then after that we will uh we’ll we’ll wrap up um so so uh yeah in your uh I’ve got more questions yeah so many uh Jody in in

Playing around with uh Minecraft education uh did you also get a chance to play uh one of the any other regular versions of Minecraft do you know what I have actually never played any other a version and I I watch a lot of videos now um because my algorithm clearly

Knows what I’ve been up to and I want to maybe I can come over if you got it and I can play you can I don’t know if you have it at the University um uh we have I’m sure we’ve got copies lying around somewhere yeah because my original

Intention was to have it on a server so that we could have like a little Community but because of the access issues with hosting a server at the University they would not let and they wouldn’t let me do it [Laughter] so sadly I do recommend you have a you

Have a jump into it can teach you many a thing on its own uh yeah yeah I would like to the I believe the library would be very entertaining if zombies were trying to chase you around it um I wouldn’t recommend it for an educational setting um

Yeah yeah my um seven-year-old nephew is um now very confused because he just thinks I play Minecraft for work um which is as librarian a bit of an odd POS position to be in but I’m not going to say no so do you think there’s any other games

That could be used um in a similar vein um to what you’ve done here so if you were GNA take this Library stick it into another game what game would you put it in I mean my head’s just I mean maybe I’m just a bit obsessed but like bould

Is gay I mean imagine the adventures that you could have um and it would be some sort of cave and you would have to go and figure it out and you know fight some bad guys and your your your loot would be access to the library I think that would be a

Lot of fun I want to be taught how to Heart reference by Gail of water deep I good well ironically that would be excellent because a lot of referencing is um about gossip and who told you that and where can you find them so it is technically questing um because

You have to go find that original source and see if they UND if the the writer has understood the message correctly or not so not wrong that’s awesome I have made um a card game um which is based on top tramps um because again trying to make you know things

Like referencing in that fun um so yeah oh if you have’t in person session let’s let’s let’s play info dumps which is you know legal reasons different enough to to trumps to be a game on its own right I believe that is all the time we

Had thank you so much for having me right in saying that Ben that is correct yes um so thank you everyone for your um for your awesome questions and thank you Jody for um bringing uh the your unique project uh to us live and walking through it so um again if you’re

Interested in um in helping Jody with uh with her um with her project um you can you can download it um and get access to online um and if you want to give us um feedback on the uh talks you can follow through the um the Microsoft forms link

J if you could just throw that URL at me for the um the download for the project and I’ll put it in the chat so everyone has access to it um and then we will we will uh will close yeah I join us after the break where we’ll be joined by Jamie

Is scrolling through theist Jamie ditchfield with the fall and Rise of cloud streaming Technologies yeah is the link to the project so thank you again Jody and thank you everyone for for tuning in and we’ll be next be live at 2 pm that’s in 15 minutes um for the uh um talk with

Jamie ditchfield so thank you all and goodbye bye